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Postby snapdragon » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:03 pm

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My list never gets shorter!
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby number1 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:42 pm

Like the look of the Bergpanther, could almost drag me over to the dark side :shock:
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby steve131 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:05 pm

number1 wrote:Like the look of the Bergpanther, could almost drag me over to the dark side :shock:

Agree looks a stunner as do the others. Was at Bovington Wednesday climbing all over their Panther and Tiger's had a great time , you would love it Snaps.
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:47 am

I have my own Panther and Tigers to climb over!


Meng's Panther A I did earlier this year is a direct copy of one of my vehicles awaiting restoration and refurbishment back to running order and the Panther G I'm doing now is also in my storage facility waiting for refurbishment to full working order.


I have set my budget for 2019 and arrangements are now complete with certificates etc for the two 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 main guns from the above tanks, 2 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 and 1 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56 to go back to the OEM - Rheinmetall Defence in Germany for a complete rebuild and refurbishment to operational status ( I have the necessary licenses and certificates) These and all the other weapons only fire blanks apart from proofing days where live fire on a proper tank range is done. The MOD allows me to do this in return for letting some Soldiers on Armoured courses have a good look and play with some of them having the opportunity to fire a live round. Useful education for them to go back in time!


Previous years have seen the Pak 43 on the Jagdpanther penetrate a chieftan Mk 10 hull at 800m and the 75mm on the restored Panther A practically turn and old FV432 inside out at 500m.
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby steve131 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:58 pm

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Got to admit uber jell ,models are great for dark winter months but the real one better x million :mrgreen: Nice to see you give back to the Army and help out our troops ,everyone benefits :clap: . Next time I'm at Headingley must track you down and have a face 2 face as an interesting evening with some great stories would surely unfold 8-) .
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:55 pm

could meet at a pub local to me and have a pint I'm sure....

There's always Telford too!
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby steve131 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:01 pm

Am trying to get to Telford but SWMBO usually throws a spanner in works at that time of the year.
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Sun Aug 19, 2018 11:29 am

Oh no! Not the dreaded "time of the month!"

That week or so that makes Ghengis Khan look like a Red Cross volunteer!

You need to start negotiations with "some of the forum guys are meeting at Telford and I reckon you would enjoy meeting them!"

See what happens.
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby steve131 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:18 pm

:lol: No i meant she usually goes and visits an old university friend then :lol:
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Sun Aug 19, 2018 1:33 pm

Excellent opportunity for an away day!
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby chill » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:27 pm

You can go and see snaps panther ( the fourth running one only left in the wild)
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby chill » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:44 am

:banana-gotpics:
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:26 pm

Panther G during our visit to Germany in 2009. This was at the Trier Military test Centre and we let the staff of the centre drive it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsodIneQGzI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26cSk60Aj3Y

Again, Trier 2009. Jagdpanther G1 (A chassis) driven by the staff at the military test centre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo96H8bf_R0&t=7s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njFtT6o61xo

They were amazed by the restoration we had done considering the physical state of the vehicles when they were recovered and were awe struck to find that the intercom and radios worked properly and once the crowds had left we let them fire the main gun on the test range.


We have restrictions to what we can do in Germany. We have to remove the machine guns and at the military test centre due to their health and safety legislation etc the staff at the school operate our vehicles. We have a very good understanding with them and good co-operation. The basic agreement is... you break it.... you fix it!


On the road we have to cover up the vehicles and have a police escort!
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby chill » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:11 am

So where are you in the videos. Is this tank one of the three remaining or the foutth.. and any footage of it being loaded and fired as even bovington doesn't have any live rounds for their stuff.

Also very perplexed as to why you need to cover up a ww2 tank on the motorway, as when i clicked on the youtube links, a suggested video popped up of a convey of Leopold tanks in a tank transport convey on the Autobahn, all un-covered. So a modern German battlefield tank is uncovered but a vintage ww2 needs to be covered. Very very confused Snap :think:

Still any pics of the restoration. Such a premier restoration job demands correct documentation, and was this tank you worked on the one you got by pulling it out of a field in Poland? :clap:

Look forward to the clarfication.
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Postby snapdragon » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:33 pm

The modern stuff doesn't ned to be covered, but the WWII stuff, along with the association of the war and the politics etc of the time is still a very sensitive area and to cover the vehicles between displays is what we are told to do.


I'm not responsible for filming the vehicles at all and you will find that I'm probably lurking inside them or discussing current and future rebuilds with the museums, display organisers etc. All restoration documentation are collated and put into huge ring binders that accompany the vehicles along with necessary certificates, licences etc.

Our Jagdpanther G2 (G Chassis)

https://www.deviantart.com/infiltraitor88/art/Jagdpanther-firing-169439142

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby chill » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:57 pm

snapdragon wrote:The modern stuff doesn't ned to be covered, but the WWII stuff, along with the association of the war and the politics etc of the time is still a very sensitive area and to cover the vehicles between displays is what we are told to do.


I'm not responsible for filming the vehicles at all and you will find that I'm probably lurking inside them or discussing current and future rebuilds with the museums, display organisers etc. All restoration documentation are collated and put into huge ring binders that accompany the vehicles along with necessary certificates, licences etc.

Our Jagdpanther G2 (G Chassis)

https://www.deviantart.com/infiltraitor88/art/Jagdpanther-firing-169439142

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9UdRHoaAc


Must be different in Germany. I know the swastikia is banned. But not iron cross .

So is the tank the one you got from a river/field? So these tanks are not UK, but German based. So you take the tanks to the UK bases in Germany then to allow uk soldiers to test fire?
Stil congratulations on having the only fourth operational tank of this type. As the other three are registered elsewhere , such as Germany , and I cant locate yours anywhere. You need to get this to Bovington. They would jump at having the fourth....and from 2009 too.
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby chill » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:16 pm

Heres the list

Three surviving Jagdpanthers have been restored to running condition. Two German museums, the Deutsches Panzermuseum at Munster and the Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung (WTS) at Koblenz, each have a running Jagdpanther. The SDKFZ Foundation in the UK has restored one Jagdpanther to running condition, using two wrecked Jagdpanthers to complete one. The other wreck will also be restored[5].

And I assume this one:

Bovington Tank Museum, Dorset, UK—one of a number assembled by British Army Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers for trials, late production model.[6]

Is the one you are referring to for allowing UK Army to clamber over. Didnt know you were instrumental in this one. Great service to our Country you are giving
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:43 am

All my vehicles are based at my place in Yorkshire and due to insurance and the certificates, licenses involved it is a secure place with restricted access.

There are more running vehicles and replica builds than your source states, with most in private hands. We tend to be very private people.

I have even had Bruce Compton from the TV show Combat Dealers turn up twice, unannounced waving cash, a chequebook and a TV crew.

None of my stuff is for sale. The first time he was kicked off the premises and told not to come back. The second time the two Belgian Mainois we have were let loose.

Never seen a short fat guy run as fast!

Bruce Compton is not a nice man and not welcome at re-enactments or by many collectors and restorers.

I have a line on a good price for the Bergepanther A. My usual source on EBay doesn't have one and I might have to pay UK price.

Meng and RFM have Bergepanther A on the way, but no release date as yet. With Takoms first on the market they might decide not to do it!
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby steve131 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:09 am

Ive read quite a bit on the net Bruce Compton not very much liked and a bad version of Arthur Daley but I do like his show however. Bergpanther model sounds good ,be nice to see a build diary. 8-)
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Re: More Panthers coming from Takom

Postby snapdragon » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Might have to wait until after Telford.... In fact I might get a good deal at the show!

There's also Trumpeter's big 1/16 Panther G to come - released this month and I don't know much about it at all. Just keeping my eye on their website for it to appear so I can see what's on the sprues - no interior - no sale!

My spending very much depends on what ZM have to offer at Telford!
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