Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:59 am

Scharnhorst Issue 15

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Added a few additional layers to the middle deck structure. Not very exciting.

What is exciting though (to me, at least) is that two weeks ago I got my hands on an unbuilt partwork kit of HMS Hood (the original UK edition, not the botched German one) at half price. This gives me the unique opportunity to build both cruisers with aspirations of being battleships in sync side by side and have a look at the differences between them and the way they are built up.

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So I quickly went on a building rampage and got the Hood built up to issue 15 too (here in the foreground with Scharnhorst in the back). One can readily see the size difference between both ships. The Hood has the option of being made RC capable, so she features an open design with detachable deck structures, making the build so far more complex (165 parts vs Scharnhorsts 118 at this point).

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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby number1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:53 pm

Looking forward to these two developing, my Hood build stalled a long time ago :violin:
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:52 am

Scharnhorst issue 16

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Those parts of the deck structures that will later be "outdoors" are decked with a thin sheet of lime wood (not quite a veneer though).

You may notice I have only temporarily fitted the side panels in the middle structure. That is because I have found an error with the precut pieces affecting the entire run which will make installation of a piece of secondary armament impossible/awkward in about two years time. Let's see if you can find it, apparently I was the first/only one in Germany to see it. Hachette has acknowledged and is currently discussing whether to replace the panels or have us do the necessary changes ourselves later down the line.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:16 am

Scharnhorst issue 17

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We begin working on the front deck structures and this is where this kit gets weirder than anything else I have seen in ship building. Usually one would put up some vertical walls and put a roof on top.

Instead in this issue we get the roof and some vertical internal supports to build some kind of drunkenly dysfunctional carport, then will proceed to add horizontal panels over the next few weeks to build the whole thing up into a massive weighty blob of "What? Why would they...? This is weird."
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:50 am

Scharnhorst Issue 18

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Instead of putting up vertical walls around the forward upper deck structure like normal people we begin to install a number of suspended ceilings to build up the structure.

I can only guess the German engineers are mightily drunk and fear the sky dropping down on their heads.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby Mark » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:35 pm

I see there is a recess to clear a big gun. I can only guess that it was cheaper to do it that way that to tool up to make an injection moulded plastic part for the recess.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:21 pm

Mark wrote:I see there is a recess to clear a big gun. I can only guess that it was cheaper to do it that way that to tool up to make an injection moulded plastic part for the recess.


That was my thinking too, but, at some point this needs to be clad too, which means either a plastic part or trying to bend PE to the correct curve, which seems .... ambitious. So I'm not sure where they're going with this. It's not like they won't use plastic parts. The main guns are plastic as is the bow and stern (spoiler alert).
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby Mark » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:48 pm

Bending the etched parts isn't too difficult. Just put the part on a sheet of rubber (mouse matt or similar) and roll over it with the shank of a drill bit, or similar round object. It will take a smooth curve fairly easily, but there is a bit of a knack to getting it even.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:25 am

Welp, just got the new preview set of instructions for January and yup, bending PE it is for these recesses. Should be interesting.

Scharnhorst 19

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The next round of horizontal layers is slotted in, this time extending the forward deck structure quite a bit. It's starting to look like an actual thing found on the ship.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby Bazza » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:56 am

Damn damn damn.

I would love to be building this (Scharnhorst) also Greyhawk.
I think when they reshaped the bow on the real ship, it became the prettiest looking warship of all time.
I have never seen the partworks for sale downunder.

And just one thing i did when smooth bending etched parts, I always went looking for anything around the house with a similar radius.
and always went when shaping from the middle out. Safe, easy and always a constant curve. Never failed.
And I am an amateur with fiddly brass bits.
Rolling can be tricky.

I will follow your progress with interest.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:43 am

Scharnhorst 20

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We stick yet another roof onto our layercake of roofs. We also build a couple of side roofs to stick into the recesses because there's an obvious lack of roofs there.

I realize this is incredibly boring being stuck at doing minute and invisible things to the forward deck structure week after week. Luckily next week is the last one to deal with this particular section for a while.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:03 am

Scharnhorst issue 21

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We finally finish working on the foreward deck superstructure by sticking in the little "side roofs" we built last week and extending the forward platform with some small bits.

We're reached the 15% point in this build so I guess it's time for another look at the whole thing so far.

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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:51 am

Scharnhorst Issue 22

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We finally get to take a break from roof related shenanigans and deal with the bow and stern of the ship instead.

For these we receive 2 plastic mouldings each which are epoxy-glued together and onto the ends of the hull. This is where the decision to use MDF to form the hull starts to make sense, because fit is absolutely perfect. These parts will make the planking of the hull (should we eventually start it at some point) infinitely easier. I'm usually not a big fan of plastic, but for these sections it makes things so much easier that I'm ok with it. Other options how these sections are done in other ships of this type are ceramic prefabs (prone to break, usually major fit issues) or building up the sections with layered plates of wood then sanding that block smooth (torturous work that usually ends in less than satisfying results)
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:42 pm

Scharnhorst issue 23

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Back to roofs. This time we receive the first two upper deck plates. Those are just loosely laid down on the hull for now. The designers surprise me again, but this time in a positive way. There are cutouts in the plates to simply stick the deck structures into. Proper Fit and sit of the deck structures is usually a huge pain in the behind so this solution is nothing short of genius.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:10 am

Scharnhorst issue 24

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The next two deck plates arrive and are put in place loosely for now. Note the middle deck structure is the wrong way around because I'm dumb and should be turned around 180 degreees. Good thing that nothinng is glued yet.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:37 am

Scharnhorst issue 25

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The last deck plate is delivered and all of them are now fixed to the hull. Small tabs on the cutouts and edges make it easy to properly align the plates.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby number1 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:50 pm

Are you going to RC it or building it as a static model?
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:54 pm

number1 wrote:Are you going to RC it or building it as a static model?


It's designed as a purely static model. Making this RC capable would mean carving up the entire MDF hull skeleton and keeping the deck plates removable and who knows how many other changed would be needed.

The effort is in no relation to the benefit, especially since aeronaut already offers a 1:200 fully RC capable Scharnhorst.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby number1 » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:26 pm

Thanks greyhawk, thought it might have been like the Hood with the option for RC.
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Re: Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst (1:200, Hachette)

Postby greyhawk » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:41 am

Scharnhorst issue 26

With the deck plates in place this is the perfect time to finally start planking the hull....

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... so instead we start kitting out the upper deck structures. The middle deck structures curved sections are covered with brass and for the first time it becomes clear why the layered "multi-roof" approach was taken for these. Any portholes instantly become actual holes, no need to fake things with paint or opening them up with a drill. It's pretty ingenious.

We also build four ventilation system (?) thingys, to be installed at a later date.
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