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Postby smokebox360 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:18 am

Hi All
Picked this up at Smiths today..... puzzled it is not on their webpage but a separate one


Link http://www.battleshipbismarck.co.uk :o
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Re: Bismarck

Postby jim » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:37 am

have built the original Bismarck partwork it is a beauty, still I am tempted. It is Hachette again and does not look as detailed, metal hull? is it R/C? I'm in a quandary
ARRRRGGGHHHH.. 140 issues at £9 £1260? just talked myself out of it.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby chill » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:50 am

Doesnt look anywhere close to the quality of the original Bissy.

The metal hull is different though. Not entirely sure about the integrity or water tightness of the hull for full R/C use. May need some refinement and rework to be sure.

But the upper hull doesnt look very detailed as opposed to the original.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby snapdragon » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:54 am

It is Hachette with the bunch of idiots at Jarrow doing the dispatch and contact point.

This looks like a redesign of the original to be easier to build and add lights and turret movement which some builders managed with the original build.

The Bismarck has been dumbed down!

It has probably reduced manufacture cost and at £9 per issue increased profit too. So starts the decline of ship building techniques!
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Re: Bismarck

Postby Mark » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:17 pm

Looks like a pre-painted, screw together kit. I’m guessing not rc. Much easier to construct, so probably has a wider appeal.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby booth » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:22 pm

It seems to be same one as the test in Germany

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9INTLedc6dQ&t=13s
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Re: Bismarck

Postby conqueror060 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:35 am

The build process is too simplified for me... I have done and really enjoyed the original Hachette Bismarck!

I would like to see another wooden model, like one test partwork I have seen in Japan around 2 years before. I don't remember the name of the ship but it had woodel hull, wooden first layer of planking, but the big change was in the second layer, it had aluminum sheets like the skin of spitfire. This made the hull look so realistic and it was somethin I have never seen before in wooden ship models!

I'm searching the web for it but I can't find it anywhere. If I remember correctly I have seen an advertisement in youtube. Did anyone else found this model? I would really appreciate your help if anyone has a link!!! It was a japanese warship, like IJN Akagi or Yamato.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby jim » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:28 pm

wish they would release their Prinz Eugen here.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby chill » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:48 pm

jim wrote:wish they would release their Prinz Eugen here.


I agree it looked great
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Re: Bismarck

Postby booth » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:48 pm

I also tend to agree. I would much prefer a wooden Bismarck/Hood ship. My choice would be the Scharnhorst.

There is always a chance that it may be released in France and therefore available via Journal france
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Re: Bismarck

Postby steve131 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:27 pm

Is this a test or live ? Was in Harborne today and saw issue 4 ,didn't think much of it.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby conqueror060 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 am

It is a test right now.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby conqueror060 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:27 am

Do we know which company is running this partwork test?
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Re: Bismarck

Postby steve131 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:24 am

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Re: Bismarck

Postby conqueror060 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:06 pm

The partwork has been officially released today in Germany! Issue 1 release date 2/1/2019

It is available through newsagents and online subscription for German citizens.

https://bismarck-bauen.de/vorschau/

i can clearly see a motor in issue 2, so the model probably has many motorized functions and lights. It also have remote control to operate the functions!
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Re: Bismarck

Postby chill » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:28 am

This looks very much a plastic 'plug and play' type affair. A million miles away from the original model. Still a bit of weathering and bit of after market parts and it will look quite majestic sailing around the local duck pond.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby Mark » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:28 am

I’m not sure it’s a model that can sail? Not sure, my German is non existent.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby snapdragon » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:52 pm

I think I hear the sound of ship building techniques being laid to rest in Germany.

Of the original build, many builders in Germany added motorisation, smoke kits, radio control, made the turrets rotate and made the hull watertight and sailed it on their local ponds and lakes. I think that during the build there was this option in the mahazine to do some of that.


Sailing this version will not be possible methinks!

Come to think about it, I think I have the original issue in a box to build up along with Hood and an Italian battleship somewhere!


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Re: Bismarck

Postby ernietheviking » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:23 pm

Hmm
Have been watching Mario build this on YOUTUBE - what a great modeller he is !
My German is not great but the gist of what he was saying was a bit negative (Germans feel free to put me right !).
It seems this thing is
A) Lacking detail
B) Difficult to correct any issue as its all pre-painted (He put together the Arado and the floats have big gaps which will be hard to fill).
C) Expensive.
The problem with this kind of part work, is that unlike Car and Bike ones - we modellers have a choice , The Trumpeter Bismarck is by no means the greatest model out there, but it costs £200 and for another £100 or so gets you lots of detail , which is a third of the price of this Hachette Job (every pun intended).
The 1/16 Panther is pretty awful (again Trumpy do a full interior kit for £200).
It seems these are all aimed at non-modellers (which is odd if it only gets issued in Germany).
That's fine for cars and bikes that need a good paint finish - less so for other stuff.
Wish Amati would swallow some pride and bring out Hood, Bismarck, Eugene and Scharnhorst as full kits.
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Re: Bismarck

Postby snapdragon » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:24 pm

Trumpeter have Scharnhorst and Gneisnau in 1/200 in this years catalogue. All that they have to do is Prinz Eugen and you can do Operation Rhine and Operation Cerberus (Channel Dash) all in 1/200!


Trumpeters' Bismarck does need detail sets to bring it up to Amati/Hachette's first offering but it is a much cheaper alternative to what's now available and easier to build and I have seen some cracking builds of Trumpeters Bismarck on the net!
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